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I have just got round to adding Kongo and Rikishi to 'Japanese names' here. Do you know what original Japanese name translates as Lion Dog?
Great work George posting info on pieces from these old games! This is really helpful, besides shogi pieces, i also want to release on zrf all other fairy pieces (well, at least 120+) to showcase them (not a game).
ah ok, that is fine anyways i have interest in that list, i didn't realise there was so many shogi pieces with no backward movement, 14 pieces there. i want to update my game 'gods on pluto' with a few more pieces that do not have backward movement, at least putting pieces inside the zrf. Charles you have name for a piece that is mao + xiang don't you, i think i seen before, can't remember. Can you tell me, and, can you link where you where you have piece names for slider and slider compounds not higher than 2 squares? (oh maybe leaper compounds not higher than 2 squares also).
I actually meant specifically versions of the Lion Dog restricted to one or more forward directions. Most of the ones listed are known to me already.
Stone General : moves 1 square diagonally forward. Iron General : moves 1 square in the 3 forward directions. Evil Wolf: steps 1 square orthogonally sideways or directly forward, or diagonally forward. Ram's-head soldier: slides diagonally forward any number of squares. Wood General: slides 1 or 2 squares diagonally forward. Enchanted Badger: Steps 1 or 2 squares orthogonally forward or sideways. Violent Bear: steps 1 square horizontally and one or two squares diagonally forward. Flying Cock: steps 1 square orthogonally sideways or diagonally forward. Lance: moves any number of free squares directly forward (orthogonal). Keima: leaps 2 squares directly forward like a knight only. Side Mover: moves any number of free squares orthogonally sideways, or 1 square directly forward.('Heian dai shogi'). Side dragon: moves any number of free squares in a straight line orthogonally forward or sideways.('Taikyoku shogi'). Running wolf: steps 1 square orthogonally forward or moves any number of free squares orthogonally sideways or diagonally forward (Taikyoku shogi). Angry boar: moves 1 square orthogonally forward or sideways or 1-2 squares diagonally forward (Taikyoku shogi). Shogi variants checked; wa, chu, heian dai, dai, tenjiku, dai dai, maka dai dai, tai and taikyoku.
There is a few shogi pieces that have forward only moves, i could check and give you a list. Are you wanting pieces that move forward and sideways, or are you just talking strictly forwards? oh and yes i was asking a bit ago about a piece that moved 1-3 squares on the diagonal lines, Jorg answered that question.
This is just the sort of reminder that I needed. I'd recalled talk of the Lion Dog from someone who'd proposed a 'Bishop's Dog' but had forgotten the mention of the Wrestler. Recently I've been tending to get rid of obscure and, as yet, unused specific names in favour of single qualifiers First I applied Fimbriated to simple Bent riders to give more complex oners in place of names such as Abbey, Airport, Cathedral, and Spaceport. Then I applied Twice-Pawned Uncubbed to odd-only pieces in place of the Pawer, Brewer, Harrower, Raver, et cetera. It seemed instinctive to devise a common term rather include a one-off Shogi-variant name. Thanks for reminding me that it is not a one-off. A phrase like 'Guardian of the Gods' is far from a natural Chessman name for English speakers, and there are variations in the piece anyway, but how about Guardian on its own for the orthogonal piece? By chance adding the forward Ferz moves would, in Man and Beast terminology, give Goldguardian, and Gold is only one letter out from God! Interestingly, Liondog=Guardian+Wrestler unites three names featuring 'weak' letters in the sense of ones lending themselves to (some would say equally weak) puns by their omission on lion/line, guardian/garden, and wrest/rest. I do not recall offhand whether any Shogi variants have forward-only versions of the three pieces, but if not then the omitted letters do give me some idea for such pieces. If anyone does know of existing forward-only ones, please comment here. In the long term I plan to adjust Man and Beast 11 accordingly.
'Note that the Taikyoku Shogi pieces move differently than pieces with the same name in other larger Shogi variants.' Yes it's funny/strange they do that, either with a slight difference or completely different. I just noticed in Taikyoku that the King moves 1-2 squares on the queen lines, only variant with king moving like this (i think). Talking about limited queen line movers, Taikyoku also has these pieces .. Leopard King (not royal) - 1 to 5 squares Heavenly Tetrarch - 1 to 4 squares Fragrant Elephant and White Elephant - 1 to 2 squares i also notice the Flying Dragon moves exactly like an Alfil.
Wow, thanks for that :)) I knew of 'guardian of the gods' being in 'maka dai dai shogi' and 'tai shogi', being a R3 slider with also a 1 square diagonally forward move, now i see, yes, 'guardian of the gods' in 'taikyoku shogi' omits the diagonally forward move. Nice!! I knew about the two different 'wrestler' pieces, i'm pretty sure in another chat you told me about that when i was searching for a shogi piece moving 1-3 squares diagonally, hehe. Thanks again for your help, i'm coding shogi pieces from all the ancient classic shogi variants to release on a zrf to showcase them all, will be released this year, it is not a game, just something to showcase the pieces. It will have a least more than 120 pieces. The graphics will be done to try to indicate how the pieces move also just by looking at the piece. i think now i have done 118 pieces, but i'm getting tired of it lol and dont know how many more i can do, the shogi pieces seem endless haha. It is mainly pieces from 'taikyoku' left to do also.
I have an answer to your 2nd question: The R3 is named Kongo (Guardian of Gods) in Taikyoku Shogi. There's also a B3, named Rikishi (Wrestler) in Taikyoku Shogi. Note that the Taikyoku Shogi pieces move differently then pieces with the same name in other larger Shogi variants.
hi, i just need all the experts to help me with some piece info :) can anyone tell me if they know a game where these types of pieces are used. 1. Camel/wazir (3-1 leaper and moves one square orthogonally). 2. moves 1 to 3 squares orthogonally, cannot leap (like limited rook). i guess i'm trying to find the earliest possible game these pieces have appeared, but any game where they play is ok. thanks
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